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Post by wizzlbang on Mar 31, 2013 11:57:32 GMT
Your entire point clings to the fact they picked Will Smith for the roll.
Are you going to find such implications in I am Legend, too? He was the only black dude in that movie, if I recall correctly. In a world full of palefaced nightmonsters.
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Post by i love my dead gay forum on Mar 31, 2013 13:06:40 GMT
Well obviously Hancock would be completely different if they'd cast a white actor, but they didn't, presumably for a reason. i haven't seen I Am Legend, so I can't comment, but casting frequently reinforces the themes of a movie, like how all the best Arnold movies subvert his silly bodybuilder persona, or how Once Upon A time In The West has Henry Fonda playing against type as a villain.
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Post by xolta on Mar 31, 2013 14:42:40 GMT
Well obviously Hancock would be completely different if they'd cast a white actor, but they didn't, presumably for a reason. i haven't seen I Am Legend, so I can't comment, but casting frequently reinforces the themes of a movie, like how all the best Arnold movies subvert his silly bodybuilder persona, or how Once Upon A time In The West has Henry Fonda playing against type as a villain. Aorta do you want me to demote you to an entire sack of potatoes? :L |
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Post by Spuvsy on Mar 31, 2013 17:24:07 GMT
Well obviously Hancock would be completely different if they'd cast a white actor, but they didn't, presumably for a reason. Just taking a wild stab in the dark here, but it could be because Will Smith is a popular actor who sells tickets |
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Post by wizzlbang on Mar 31, 2013 20:20:08 GMT
Yeah, have you ever considered the fact it might be because Will Smith is fucking everywhere? I appreciate your enthusiasm to 'analyze art' and whatever, but how is it you manage to boil everything down into racial symbolism?
Don't make me bring up the nes godzilla creepypasta.
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Post by i love my dead gay forum on Mar 31, 2013 22:09:49 GMT
Aorta do you want me to demote you to an entire sack of potatoes? :L maybe you could actually state what you don't like rather instead of moaning  I don't. this particular film is about race, so that's what i'm talking about. I'm not just pullin stuff from nowhere here, I engage with a movie and try to see what it's saying. i can't avoid the conclusion that Hancock is about race. Sure, but so is Tom Cruise or someone, and they didn't cast him. |
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Post by wizzlbang on Mar 31, 2013 22:29:33 GMT
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Post by wizzlbang on Mar 31, 2013 22:58:24 GMT
Sure, but so is Tom Cruise or someone, and they didn't cast him. anyways, that's the thing, though. The movie would still be the same thing if they'd cast Tom Cruise. The plot and dialogue could remain exactly the same, and it would probably even still suck. The only difference would be the lack of Will Smith, and would only be 'completely different' in that aspect. |
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Post by xolta on Mar 31, 2013 23:30:53 GMT
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Post by outhouseinferno on Mar 31, 2013 23:33:28 GMT
Maybe i missed the part where Hancock was attacked racially. That changes it, sure, but not to the point where the whole movie's primary theme is race. Also he gets amnesia from that, so it's not like he becomes a black panther to spite whitey.
edit: or you could also be talking about the last fight scene, where he was attacked because he put those guys in jail, race had nothing to do with it
Powers aren't real but the themes behind them, responsibility, consequenses and self-control and such, are much more relevant.
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Post by wizzlbang on Mar 31, 2013 23:37:28 GMT
It's not even implied he was attacked racially, he could very well have been attacked because of who he was, and he'd been vulnerable at the time.
On top of this, when whatshername decided to lie about being his sister, his only argument was about the way she kissed him, the fact he was black and she was white didn't even come up.
You seem to be operating on the assumption will smith was only chosen for this role because he was black.
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Post by The Leader on Apr 1, 2013 0:18:25 GMT
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Post by i love my dead gay forum on Apr 1, 2013 0:44:27 GMT
Sure, but so is Tom Cruise or someone, and they didn't cast him. anyways, that's the thing, though. The movie would still be the same thing if they'd cast Tom Cruise. The plot and dialogue could remain exactly the same, and it would probably even still suck. The only difference would be the lack of Will Smith, and would only be 'completely different' in that aspect. No it wouldn't, the whole subtext of a black dude with extraordinary talent being rejected by society because it hasn't advanced past prejudices yet would not be present. Plot and dialogue are not the only things in a film. It's not as if I'm the only person in the world who thinks the movie was about race, here's a essay written about black superhero films that talks about it: test.scripts.psu.edu/users/r/e/reg5034/new/writingsamples/ResearchPAPER%20COMM455.pdfHere's a review from the washington post comparing the portrayal of the character to black athletes: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/01/AR2008070102882.htmlHe finds the film to actually be reinforcing black stereotypes, but it's still about race. Here's a paper that mentions both Hancock and I Am Legend(basically answering wizzl's earlier question) in regard to race, I'll quote from it since it's behind a paywall: I'm not really sure if the reason that Will Smith was cast is important. He was cast, the movie exists as it is. You don't think a black man in a relationship with a white woman being attacked in 1930s America has a racial implication? I mean it's kinda hard to not see it. |
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Post by i love my dead gay forum on Apr 1, 2013 0:44:56 GMT
this is pretty funny given the laugh factory incident |
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Post by xolta on Apr 1, 2013 0:46:42 GMT
This image is based off a recent dream i had. Its in the dream theard.  |
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