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Feb 21, 2013 6:39:28 GMT
Post by scutigeracoleoptrata on Feb 21, 2013 6:39:28 GMT
This is a situation about territory. Scythe, while I agree that the hazings could go too far at times, and I agree that the punishment really is no big deal, what ebe said is correct; these guys are legitimately uncertain about what they can and cannot say on the Bogleech forums now, and there are hurt feelings that they were singled out for seemingly arbitrary reasons. Why would they swallow their pride now, when that uncertainty remains?
I'm on both sites because I like the people on both sites, and I think it really sucks that this schism happened. Now that it has happened, however, people will go their separate ways. If there is reconciliation, both sides will have to agree on what the rules are going to be, or else the same problem will keep happening. Both sides will also have to swallow their pride, and apologize for what is essentially a failure to communicate.
Even if rules are agreed upon and apologies are given, however, not everyone will want to return...but at the very least, perhaps they could leave on better terms with no hard feelings.
That's my two cents.
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Thrinaxodevil
T-Bone Wilson
My gender is Space Godzilla
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Feb 21, 2013 6:46:14 GMT
Post by Thrinaxodevil on Feb 21, 2013 6:46:14 GMT
ILL FAIL YOUR COMMUNICATION, MR.SCUT!
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Feb 21, 2013 6:46:30 GMT
Post by i love my dead gay forum on Feb 21, 2013 6:46:30 GMT
Entitlement is funny. Absolutely everyone hates it, but nobody ever thinks they have it until it's far too late. It can seem only harmlessly obnoxious at first glance, but can likely be found hiding out in just about any negative human behavior imaginable; from cutting in line at the grocery store, to cutting off heads.
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Feb 21, 2013 6:48:30 GMT
Post by scutigeracoleoptrata on Feb 21, 2013 6:48:30 GMT
It's funny, but not 'ha ha' funny.
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Feb 21, 2013 7:00:39 GMT
Post by i love my dead gay forum on Feb 21, 2013 7:00:39 GMT
that's a quote
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Feb 21, 2013 7:02:34 GMT
Post by scutigeracoleoptrata on Feb 21, 2013 7:02:34 GMT
I suppose the reason people don't see entitlement in themselves, or choose not to see it, is because a complete lack of entitlement would mean competing with everyone else until the day we die (probably from stress).
So, we organize ourselves into hierarchies. Like a wedding cake.
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Feb 21, 2013 7:09:55 GMT
Post by Zuhwuhzuhzuhzuhwuh on Feb 21, 2013 7:09:55 GMT
Aorta is making a funny by quoting something I said that I guess he thinks is ironic now because my not doing anything in any of this is really super entitled of me. The forums aren't any different than they ever were. Mod powers demonstrated so lightly after so long doesn't indicate some new new regime or status quo. RULES ARE FOR FOOLS, even more so than STAYING IN SCHOOL, which is in high orange for foolishness. Obnoxiousness was under a slow long term boil and Rev got tired of all the jabs about the shittiness of everyone/thing, but still only tired enough for a short suspension of a small number of people. To me it always looked like anything else negative on bogleech was always resolved with "lol fuck you guys" "lol okay ya btw I like ham" so I don't get what new line was crossed here. It's hard for me to tell if there's any legitimately hurt feelings because most of you take pride in acting ridiculous about everything. Of course I'm sorry if I really made someone feel bad on a real emotional level when I said I didn't care about anyone on the forum but I do wonder why that's hurtful on such a personal level when I'm just a random nobody you have no reason to like or expect much from
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Feb 21, 2013 7:17:43 GMT
Post by cosbydaf on Feb 21, 2013 7:17:43 GMT
I do wonder why that's hurtful on such a personal level when I'm just a random nobody you have no reason to like or expect much from It can be a problem when that person can mess with and/or delete a forum where a group of friends have talked for years, and goes on about how little of a shit he gives about the forum and that group that hangs out on it.
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Feb 21, 2013 7:18:59 GMT
Post by scutigeracoleoptrata on Feb 21, 2013 7:18:59 GMT
But the problem with any community that doesn't have rules is that any punishment, regardless of whether or not popular opinion justifies it, will come across as arbitrary due to a lack of codified standards. Of course the whole thing is incredibly dumb, but it's a problem that will keep happening unless what is and isn't acceptable conduct is clearly stated.
I mean, from the point of view of the guys who got suspended, they were just posting the same way they had been for a long time. It was simply part of the 'group think' that 'good natured personal abuse' was the norm, so there was confusion and hurt feelings when suddenly those standards seemed to change, without warning.
It's just a case of "sorry guys, things got out of hand. I should have clarified what the rules were more clearly instead of letting things get to this point, and I understand if you are angry with me. If you guys want to go that's fine, but I just wanted to make sure there were no hard feelings. We'll take steps to make sure this doesn't happen in future." That kind of situation comes up all the time, in every kind of community, workplace or household. It's just a thing.
Of course, that doesn't mean that tensions that were growing will just disappear, and at the very least I recommend letting things cool down for a while now. Nobody hates anybody, we all just need our space.
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karhs
Lil Weiner
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Feb 21, 2013 12:39:10 GMT
Post by karhs on Feb 21, 2013 12:39:10 GMT
I made a thread on the forums recommending those things. it got merged into all the other threads that were even sort of related to the schism, most of which consisted of Neini and bitching.
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Feb 21, 2013 17:54:23 GMT
Boog likes this
Post by admin on Feb 21, 2013 17:54:23 GMT
yeah I IP banned scythe, I would have preferred not to but fuck him
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NancyMancy
Lil Weiner
Crazy Delicious Blood Puddles.
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Feb 21, 2013 18:15:42 GMT
Post by NancyMancy on Feb 21, 2013 18:15:42 GMT
Bogleech pls go.
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Feb 21, 2013 19:18:40 GMT
Post by The Leader on Feb 21, 2013 19:18:40 GMT
I mean, from the point of view of the guys who got suspended, they were just posting the same way they had been for a long time. I was suspended preemptively.
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Thrinaxodevil
T-Bone Wilson
My gender is Space Godzilla
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Feb 21, 2013 22:10:03 GMT
Post by Thrinaxodevil on Feb 21, 2013 22:10:03 GMT
Scut, lets real talk. You’re neutral, which i appreciate, cus you admit theyre at fault, but i HAVE to disagree with you on the suspended people begin at fault. leader didn’t do anything AT ALL neither did Squog.Ebe didnt do anything but state his opinion in a not absolutely nice way. The only thing i did which could POSSIBLY be against any rules in any forum ever was say Faggot.And thats was like 2 months ago, in an entirely different discussion. I honestly cant theorize of a situation in which you could construct rules in which any of what we did was against em, and not have Rev and scythe be breakign them themselves, unless they were so vague and arbitrary that Rev could just ban us on a whim regardless. OH HE EXPRESSED AN OPINION CONTRARY TO MY OWN,HES SO MEAN *BAN*
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T-Bone Wilson
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Feb 21, 2013 22:25:58 GMT
Post by ebe on Feb 21, 2013 22:25:58 GMT
Sonoran:
I'm pretty sure my "not so nice way" of saying something is the reasoning behind why I was tempbanned. You can disagree with that, but it's subjective and you can't objectively state I was not at fault.
Me and Jared and Spivsy like to be "internet tough guys" by pointing out what we see as logical errors in other people's posts. And the people Rev was defending made a fuckton of logical errors. Some because they were potatoes, and others just because they were making assessments on matters they even admitted they knew nothing about. In a situation like that those people are going to "lose" the argument by feeling embarrassed. From my perspective that's good because they can learn to think about what they say before they say it, but other people think their internet experience should be full of hugs and constant positive feedback, so hey.
Since Rev can't suddenly make the other posters equipped to argue against Socratic jeers she just made us unable to make them. She admits she dislikes a lot of our "contributions" to the bog (Lucha Jack, sculpts, etc) and sees it as choking out things she wants more of (roleplay thus far.)
Simply posting a lot and making what we've found to be fun stuff doesn't necessitate that we have some entitlement to stay on the board, so one could state it was fine to ban us and tell us to leave.
Scythe for his part obviously doesn't really want us to go but he's also clearly out of touch with why we left, and he's basically admitted that he won't be able to understand any reasoning for it (I mean within two posts he called me an asshole that no one should have cared about and then said he'd never said anything about me.)
I agree with admin that we need to just stop dwelling on the old forums and continue reconstructing our fun haven here.
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